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Log in or Sign up. WCHA Forums. So I'm the new guy starting my first guide boat and am looking for opinions I know everybody's got one on alternate wood for laminated ribs.

I'm wondering if anyone has used alternative woods for making ribs? What has worked for you? It would be a shame to put all the effort into making ribs and find they are inferior, so I'm looking for a bit of help and advice. I found a site called Workshop Companion sorry I can't post a link with a chart comparing various woods and one wood which compared very favorably to spruce was poplar!! Anybody have any thoughts? Gary Jacuk , Feb 6, So here's the info I found on the two woods, sitka and poplar, and according to these numbers, the two are almost identical in properties.

Significantly different in price and availability. It's a number 8 rib for a 16 foot boat and weighed in at an amazing 2.

Very stiff, but the laminating and epoxy probably contribute significantly to that. Still seems very fragile to someone not familiar with such things My opinion is that the only drawback is tradition Much like acoustic guitars have almost always have spruce tops. So the saga continues. Gary Jacuk , Feb 13, Gary, Your post dwelled without any responses The obvious question that was never asked is what are you building?

A guideboat built in the traditional way is constructed with spruce knees If you are building a modern version of a guide boat laminating it to fabricate the ribs the wood selection seems less relevant in which case popler is probably fine.. MGC , Feb 13, MGC, I'm going to build a modern version of a guide boat and was looking for feedback on alternative materials like poplar. I made a poplar laminated rib and it compares very favorably with spruce, so I will go ahead with using that.

You are correct in that with laminated ribs the ribs they are probably as strong as spruce ribs cut from stumps, perhaps stronger. So then it becomes a matter of tradition in using the original materials. I live in an area where cedar is plentiful and have managed to hook up with a fellow who has a sawmill, some nice, dry cedar logs and is willing to work with me on cutting lumber for making strips.

Should be interesting. Going to turn this into a build thread and document things along the way. Hope you all find it of interest. Gary Jacuk , Feb 17, So progress is being made on the boat. Using John Michne's book which is available on Amazon I was able to use the CAD drawings and have a full size set of plans for the ribs and stems printed.

Then off to the bandsaw and oscillating spindle sander to cut out patterns and make up forms for laminating the ribs Cutting the poplar from the edge gives me quarter sawn strips which bend more easily and uniformaly as I learned in a recent adventure into luthiery. I was able to use a hot pipe that was used to bend guitar sides to heat the strips and form them to the bending forms, relieving at least some of the stress on the glue joints.

Pretty easy to do once you get a feel for the wood releasing. And no sawdust!!! Soon some actual rib blanks. A little background. I'm what you would call in the skiing world terms an "advanced intermediate" when it comes to woodworking.

Got a nice, if messy, shop and some decent tools accumulated over the last 40 years. My interest in guideboats comes from the fact I grew up in upstate New York and was reminded of these wonderful boats on a visit to the Adirondack Museum a few years back. Now retired in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains in California with time and a strong interest to be creative and challenged by a project I think this is a good choice.

As soon as I'm off probation I'll post some pictures of the progress. Gary Jacuk , Feb 20, So I'm back. Been busy "cooking ribs" you might say. Someone on another forum said that "making the ribs is project in and of itself" and all I can say is that's for sure.

All went well, not perfection, but pretty darn well. I could only do 2 blanks a day due to clamp restrictions so it took a while. And since this is a non traditional boat, I added a walnut strip to each blank as an accent.

Looks pretty nice on one blank. A whole boat full may end up looking like a zebra!! Oh well, that's why they invented paint. Next up is the stems, the bottom board 1"x 10"x 16' clear pine boards are not too common but I found one , and the work platform. Some pictures now that I'm off probation. The finished rib blanks, my trusty bending pipe, rib patterns, and bending forms. Gary Jacuk , Mar 5, Did ya miss me?

More progress being made in spite of a cold epidemic here at home. My big lesson learned was that sanding or planing the strips to be laminated as smooth as possible or grit makes the glue lines less noticeable. Also, made a couple of accent strips for the boat by laminating some poplar, walnut and snakewood strips I had around the shop. Working 18' strips alone is a challenge of it's own kind.

Kind of like a mouse trying to move a strand of cooked spaghetti by himself! Going to be interesting cutting and shaping all those strips. Also spent some time putting together the work stand to build the boat on. I found one place about 2 hours away that had 1 x 6 x 18' clear heart redwood and was prepared to make the drive. Talking with my friend Ken about the boat one day he said he had some old redwood siding at his house I was welcome to use.

Eventually I get around to going over to take a look and about fell over. He had 5 - 18' and 5 - 16' pieces of clear heart redwood vertical grain 1 x 10 lap siding that had been milled in the 's up in the heart of redwood country. Wood of this quality is just not even available today, it is just spectacular.

I almost feel guilty using it for my amateurish attempt. A bit nerve wracking putting it to the saw, but I will do my very best. Pictures: My bucket of ribs JPG File size: Gary Jacuk , Mar 24, Dave Wermuth likes this.

Got the bottom board cut and beveled according to my pattern. What I learned is that the ribs and the bottom board are a system that needs to match up. I took my bottom board pattern from the Durant book with a small modification and used the rib patterns provided by John Michne. Matching up the center lines on a pair of 0 ribs comes to 8. I chose to ignore the center line marking on the ribs and place them where they matched the bevel. Spent a goodly amount of time cutting strips and picking small redwood splinters out of my hands.

Ended up with 46 full length 18 foot strips and a bunch of 16 footers that will need to be scarfed��and this is where I hit a snag. Titebond III does not bond this old redwood!!

Film at Anyone have any experience overcoming this problem, or with an epoxy thin enough to be applied with a syringe? The bottom board The aftermath of the striping marathon. Old and new redwood. Old on the right. My favorite beveling tool, the trusty four in hand. Comfortable and not overly aggressive. Gary Jacuk , Apr 3, For those of you keeping score, it's redwood 1 titebond 0. Wiping with acetone had little or no effect on the bonding so I've been going the epoxy route to make the scarf joints.

Every titebond joint came apart as if it was glue starved and with it's quick set up time I didn't think I could let the joint soak up glue for a while and the come back and add glue for a better bond. I know in luthiery, once titebond has set up, the only way to reglue a joint is to remove all the titebond and start over.

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