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Discussion in ' General Giga yacht builders club Discussion ' giga yacht builders club by newbeeDec 6, Log in or Sign up. I'd be interested to hear peoples views on this apparently "new" category. Is the segment destined to a fad or have staying power? Econmically viable? If so does the bid market for used 12 Pax luxury megas hit a wall?

From a pax perspective, at what point do the lines blurr between the the new 36 pax category and the mini-cruise segment like SeaDream Yacht Club at Pax? CrewagencyDec 7, CrewagencyDec 8, In main season is it hard to find a free Charter Yacht. Seadream and others fill this market with small Cruise Ships over 40 cabins. The feeling to be on a Cruise Ship or a Yacht i think depends on the yacht experience of the complete Crew.

Also on Cruise Ships you will not find a special Owners Cabin or an giga yacht builders club deck. Charter a Yachts means often 1 person pays for all. On a yacht it is not possible to book only one cabin you always have to book the yacht.

I have giga yacht builders club a comment of the same kind on another forum but what has been discussed here gives me the opportunity to try to bring new elements to it. We have seen indeed over the years as yachts were getting bigger a new tendency of mega charter yachts and mini cruise ships.

Giga yacht builders club am making this difference on purpose because I think it does exist even though it not necessarily obvious.

Giga yacht builders club yachts were always smaller than cruise ships and it was quite simple to make difference between them; and it is true that giga yacht builders club was the first point to make the difference. For the past 5 years, it is not the case anymore. Some yachts are bigger than cruise ships and are much giga yacht builders club complex though still have this blend of luxury but in a scale multiplied threefold.

Nevertheless, one point would seem at first glance to make giga yacht builders club clear difference between mini cruise ships and mega charter yachts, which is the layout. Giga yacht builders club ships even the smallest ones are very much comparable to one another on their layout which is very simple with no such research founded on mega charter yacht as for instance on Annaliesse and her great sub giga yacht builders club deck which is the experience of Liveras large charter yacht Princess Tanya f.

Linked with the layout is the charter formula. Vessels like Constellation, Tia and Tu Moanu, Le Levant are mini cruise ships because you rent them by the cabin and not the boat. Which is not the case as far as I know for Annaliesse, Omega or Turama, even if the latest is really a in-between-the-two-categories vessel as you can charter the whole boat so its seems private charter on one hand, but on the other hand she looks like a cruise ship.

However, we must not forget that when she was relaunched Christina O was available on for charter either by the cabin by TauckWorld or privately. Look is indeed one of the arguments that could make the difference between the two categories. Annaliesse and Alysia look more like yachts than cruise ships which is not really the case of the two Moanus and not at all of Constellation.

In yachting, this new kind of yachts like Annaliesse has been created to overpass it. Furthermore on charter issue, we are quite confused to make a great difference between them because we used to separate clearly commercial vessels and yachts.

But today many yachts are registered are commercial vessels. It is true that this is often for economical reasons and some are not even available for charter. Nevertheless, some vessels are almost entirely purchased or built for charter purposes - which was not the case some 15 or 20 years ago - and this makes them real commercial vessels.

This is the result of the great development of charter business and it is quite normal that for this commercial act, yachting has been influenced by commercial and work boats. Finally, as we have been speaking here about prices, the cost would make the difference as one would have a yacht finish and would not have cabins already pre assembled like in a cruise ship, which is surely the case of vessels like Constellation, which we have seen at last Monaco Yacht Show.

The other would in general have a greater finish and giga yacht builders club on details. But further in this cost issue, I think originally built cruise ships represent a great interest today for owners who are interested in these mega charter yachts.

Firstly because the global cost to convert them as yacht is much less than to build a yacht of the same from scratch. And secondly, these cruise ships provide, like commercial vessels for expedition projects, standards of safety higher than yachts. As a matter of fact, we can see that over the past 5 or 10 years the yachting industry has been inspired in terms of rules, safety and management by the professional universe of cruise ships and other commercial vessels.

The fact that yachts over 12 passengers have to comply to Solas rules shows that these two worlds are closer than. Giga yacht builders club, for all these reasons we are more and more puzzled like Barh have clearly expressed, about the common fields of these two worlds, who are sharing now sharing more than ever.

To my mind, even if these vessels seems to be equal in genre and if it may giga yacht builders club a stupid and weird difference to make between this 2 categories, I think it exists although it is true that over the last few years mini cruises ships and mega charter yacht have had a tendency to mix each.

Just take Panorama the 54 mt Greek sailing vessel: a yacht size but a cruise ship finish and layout. So is she a mini sailing cruise ship or mega charter yacht?

For my opinion, it was necessary for yachting to professionalize and organize itself and it is great to have used the input of commercial giga yacht builders club, even though there has to remain a limit. Even for yachts purposely built for giga yacht builders club and especially those for over 12 passengersthe temptation to make them simple commercial vessel is great and they would then loose all the yacht appeals: style, balance, expression and personality, that make yacht unique pieces of art well apart of other floating creations.

I appreciate reading your thoughts CrewAgency. I note that Cassens Werft has built some M cruise-yacht vessels fairly recent. Are giga yacht builders club familiar with any other yards with a cruise-yacht focus?

If you have a lkink for the Moanus I'd appreciate it. I forgot one thing. The only info I can find indicates Wartsilla is that right or is that just the engines?

Moanu Sorry but i only can show this link. The reason I ask is as follows. My observation is that the influence of the private owner buyers keeps prices too high to allow the commercial market to realize attractive ROIs. Fair comment? AMGJan 12, Joined: Jul 26, Messages: 5, Location: Sweden. As often said, there is only a handful yacht owners running profitable charters.

Most yachts are on charter to keep them running and to get a certain contribution to the annual running costs. On pricing at shipyards, I think very few are making big profits giga yacht builders club there clients are very demanding, have tight contracts and the yachts are getting more and more complex which is very hard too calculate in advance. Just think of all the hatches with tenders inside and helipads and garages and what have you?

So, I think there will be even more accentuated differences between dedicated charter yachts and private yachts made available for charter. Both in construction costs and charter rates. If this is what you wanted to get ideas on? In theory, you giga yacht builders club buy a yacht, maybe five years old when the giga yacht builders club want to escape some major maintenance costs like new paint and giga yacht builders club things that starts to occur.

If that yacht already has giga yacht builders club charter record, or if you have been running a successful charter yourself so you will have a flying start, then you need the skill and luck to get her chartered weeks each season to get her into profit.

But to talk of return on investment is another question, especially if you like to use the yacht. Also the wear from continous charter will cost you. From giga yacht builders club I have heard, there have only existed a few such "lucky" yacht owners except from some with lowcost yachts running low charter rates in another sector.

Mainly small corporate charters and day charters. StephenJan 14, Joined: Jan 10, Messages: 8 Location: Fremantle. The Charter Yacht Market. Thanks giga yacht builders club sharing your thoughts on the subject. I'm a slow learner so forgive me if I re-load. I think the existence of two very different types of buyers, that you point out, is the heart of the issue Money's-no-object-buyer - As you say this buyer or I should say builder is primarily concerned with creating a very personal one of a kind vision or experience.

The economics of the vessel are not the primary concern and may, in some cases, be completely irrelevant. I expect that this "one of a kind super Giga Yacht Builders 2020 yacht crowd" are not the big drivers of used market pricing.

I presume this to be the new-build crowd. Economics-do-matter-buyer - If economics matter than presumably the majority in this segment behave rationally and perfrom the mental gymnastics of a simple build, buy or rent analysis. After all, if economics matter to the buyer of an apple tree then the value giga yacht builders club that tree is a function of the apples it produces, why would those who care about the economics of yachts behave any differently when valuing a yacht?

Is there some funky valuation argument Giga yacht builders club missing? Giga yacht builders club apparent failure of pricing to behave as one would expect in a typical supply and demand market has me scratching my head.

As my handle Newbee suggests though, I lack a historical perspective giga yacht builders club this specific market so I'm wondering if this is normal or are we at a rich point? Or maybe I'm just too much of a finance geek and need to get keel hauled. Any thoughts are appreciated. AMGJan 14, Of course you are right that there is no price too high for the true lover of. A fine cigar, bottle of wine, art, yacht, no extravagance requires an economic justification, giga yacht builders club the ability to pay.

I'm just surprised that the economically sensitive money-is-an-object segment seems to have such little dampening effect on the re-sale market pricing. Re depreciation. Are yachts with moving parts technology etc not ultimately subject to similar obsolesence? Clearly, diamonds and land with no moving parts are not. Buildings yes, land no. AMGJan 15, Like in most markets, also the price of used superyachts is self regulating, you can call it supply and demand because this is the bottom line.

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